Sunday, March 1, 2009

OPEN POSTS WEEK FIFTEEN

The more I watch President WOW the more I suspect a smooth talker long on rhetoric and short on details. IMO the recent bailout was jammed through with little detail. The budget will face closer scrutiny but with control firmly in the hand of Democrats the Republicans will be pictured at shrill know nothing obstructionist. Meantime WOW is pontificating about his latest broken campaign promise and that is removal of troops from Iraq. Of little notice will be the consistent buildup in Afghanistan and that will be far more costly in lives than Iraq. Despite our presence in Afghanistan for the last eight years our influence has shrunk to small enclaves. The Russians have warned us of the fruitlessness of operations in this area.

Barney Frank that paragon of intellect and virtue has pronounced the latest bailout of Citi Group is not a sign of a weak banking condition that could be magnified - first 40 Billion and now another 25 billion - Sure, Barney, just like you told us the Fanny and Freddie were solid.

The ongoing casino drama play is just so tiring. One week one group has the pom poms out and then the next week another group. The only real issue I feel exceptional strong about is how Native Americans are occasionally portrayed. When you speak to Native Americans around the country you begin to realize the extent of animosity that is embedded and I cannot blame them one bit. You hear of the reservation system and in the opinion of many that reservation should be ours.

The Middleboro gin mill is now in its death throes as the economy and roadblocks continue to mount. Since I have replaced my usual dunce cap with my prediction bonnet I will say that casinos are inevitable (sorry, MT) in Massachusetts and the perfect place is as a keystone to urban development.

I cannot express my dismay over how our Great and Honorable General Count and Executive Branch have chosen to approach the economic situation in Massachusetts. Despite all common sense and logic the approach is simply to fall back on the same old - taxes! I am on several sports boards and have made contacts virtually all over the world. It seems a day rarely goes by when I get an email asking WTF is the matter with you people?

SCOTUS…they were in the news locally but what really slipped by was not having illegals using a false SS number or a number belonging to someone else classified as identity theft. I actually read the article twice hoping that my comprehension was the result of decreasing brain cells.


I saw that Gary Russell is getting the big kiss that is in several public sector contracts and that is sick leave/vacation buy back. In too many contracts this is extremely liberal and can amount to as high as a few years of getting money for nothing. Yes…I know…they earned it. A comparison. Are teachers in the same handout? Not for me or where my wife worked. In Attleboro I received 15 sick days a year that were cumulative so after my first 12 years I had the maximum amount in the bank - 180 - less two days that I would contribute to a sick bank for those who had exceeded their sick time allocation. So my total was 162. Unfortunately my last year I had two major surgeries and that vaporized 120+ days. Full pay! Not much of that in the DPS (Dreaded Private Sector). Now if I had finished out the year I'd have close to 180 when I coasted into retirement. What would have been my compensation? Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. Here is why. Retired teachers on our contract will receive $30 for each unused sick day up to a maximum of 120 days provided they have worked in the system for 15 years. Therefore - zip! Not enough service time. As for my wife she had 39 years in the Weymouth system and had no sick days! Why? Their contract did not allow carry over. Fifteen a year and use 'em or lose 'em and most choose to loose 'em. All depends on town to town contract and administrators are different. This state is in desperate need of pension reform. Another interesting fact is I had 30 years of qualified earnings under social security and 15 years under MTR (Massachusetts Teachers Retirement). My teachers retirement was based on three highest years of earnings and the formula allows approximately 2% for each year of service. I actually had higher earnings in the DPS for at least 10 years versus the MTR yet my teachers pension is higher than my SS! Thirty years versus fifteen years. However, with SS you do get COLA and with MTR you can - at the whim of the governor - get a 3% increase per year capped at first $12,400.

I’ll post odds on the great potential match between Dog and Monkey. Even the non gamblers at CFO will get in on this one. This is probably a win-win situation since I’ll run the book.

Post away….if anyone wishes to do a guest blog I’ll post it.

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The Easter Bunny said...

Of course the lottery falls within the scope of predatory gambling.

Fix the economy. Stop rewarding bad behaviors and we wouldn't have such a deficit. Stop the golden parachutes and cash incentives for executives. Get our soldiers out of countries where we don't belong. And stop all unnecessary spending.

Clean fight? Absolutely. I'm not interested in flaming anyone. Just in stopping all forms of gambling in MA.

Rocky said...

Stop the predatory gambling in Massachusetts? The Lottery is the biggest offender of predatory gambling. I wonder when the lottery will offer up a $0.50 scratch ticket. To wring out those last four bits.

Anonymous said...

Raynham Selectmans Meeting

Not a bunch of happy campers.

Suo Mynona said...

Be consistent and get a state ballot to ban the lottery. People voted to remove an established business. They should do the same with the lottery.

It will never happen though because it would hit their back pocket, not just a select few.

The state is more dependent than ever on gambling.

Rocky said...

Stopping the Lottery is a $4.7 Billion business. They pay out horribly and take up time at the register when I need to get a quart of milk.

"I'll take a number 3, two number 2's a number 6 and two number 23's. Now I have a a couple of winners here.........How mouch more do I owe you?"

bogofree said...

The lottery would never be stopped since WTC would I do with my SS check? Besides...I enjoy sitting at the counter scratching 100 $1 tickets so you can't cash out your milk and bread. Clark off to you!

I have to agree with Predatory but it is a fight I would not join simple because it interferes with someone's right to foolishly toss away their money. Nice to fight a fight you have some chance of coming close to winning and realistically this one has no chance. I suspect slot parlors will be open by the summer since hacker will need the money and nothing like our stupidity for gambling. Of course that same stupidity has elected what is running the state, town and country. Gambling is a pure waste of resources but folks will do it and the need exists so the state capitalizes on it.

I notice that Patrick now has poll numbers that are at sub Bush levels. LMAO! Talk about just not getting it.

The Easter Bunny said...

Would love to put it on the ballot to stop the lottery. Not very likely the fat cats on Beacon Hill would loosen their grubby fingers on such a big cash flow. Also, I would like to see even Church bingo banned. Seems only fair since The Council of Churches opposes casino gambling on moral grounds.

BTW, I'm not an upper middle class newbie to Middleboro. I've lived here all my life, struggle from paycheck to paycheck like most, just oppose gambling.

I don't believe life is all about the money.

The Easter Bunny said...

bogofree-
We're not all so stupid as to realistically believe that we'll keep gambling out of MA forever. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't fight for what I believe. The world needs more Don Quixotea fighting windmills and dreaming seemingly impossible dreams.

btw, you wrote about the Village Market yesterday. Checked it out and bought the best sub I've ever had-----fresh chicken salad with walnuts and craisins. If you ever hold me up in line scratching tickets when I'm hungry, I'll make you one of the wall decorations in their gift room.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like the biggest predatory gamble out there is that stock market people play with.

Just like a crap shoot win big or lose big.

bogofree said...

I sympathize with you, Stop, and as far as the ballot I would sign a petition for that is I agreed or didn't agree. Same with papers. If a candidate wants to run I'll sign but that does not mean support. Trouble is you'll be portrayed as cranks and loonies - like Hal - but I'd like to see that ballot effort go forward.

The nail was firmly hit on the head with "The Hill" and I'd suggest you have someone else start your car if you were a ringleader in a petition drive. Maybe hire AB as a bodyguard? He's licensed to kill with that pea shooter.

Thank you for posting, Stop, as you and all others are welcome from wing nuts, to moonbats to pro and anti.

bogofree said...

Quote from the Attleboro Sun Chronicle from 3/5 regarding the secrecy of TM D'Agostino's evaluation: "This is not a public document," D'Agostino said. "It ends up on a blog, and the bloggers have a field day."

MRM....I have yet to see a casino run off with 50 Billion...not that they would not try.

anonymous said...

Bogo

You have me watching this stuff each day. Down about 2% today. I'm even watching the Asian and Europe markets and at this point it is almost a game to see how much I can lose. 15 months ago I had 108K and after yesterday it was 52K. These were all four and five star funds and some even folded and were taken over by other funds.

The Easter Bunny said...

The one thing I have always disagreed with CFO about, as have others you are unaware of, is that they should NEVER have linked blogs to their CFO.org website. Unfortunately we were outvoted.

There are many anticasino people who are reasonable and can accept other people disagreeing with them on an issue. This whole mess wouldn't have become so personal if the organization hadn't tied themselves to bloggers who allowed their emotions to get the better of them. JMO

Iamchrysanthemum said...

Suo

Lay off the Bumpkin as he is a valued asset to the town of Middleboro. He has strived for constructive change by attempting to pilfer the last few remaining dollars any of us have via CPA.

BB has worked diligently to fine tune his column and now it is approaching readability providing you don't mind being preached at.

I am sure he will respond to the questions you have put forward and they will be answered about the time the casino is built.

bogofree said...

Stop


That was my big issue with CFO if you read any of my early blogs. Links. And on several levels. I cannot support false facts when the poster is aware of them and they are not corrected. This, IMO, was not some minor oversight but one of significance that soon became repeated as a fact. CFO was aware of that and IMO fell back on the weak azzed "we are not responsible" mantra.

A second issue was the nature of personal attacks that were fine if a blogger wants to do them. I do it in sports but to have an organization that perceives themselves as a major player in the anti casino movement linked to them is a bit over the top.

The third was the attacks on business and both sides seemed to be engaged in that. Just wrong.

bogofree said...

Anon 3.26

Bargain hunters jumped in and saved another big loss. What needs to happen is to see some big volume days with good 4-6% upsurge to show that the bottom has been reached. We had a few big days in the past three months but the accompanying volume was not there. I doubt very much if any mutuals have the cash to really jump in big time with their computer driven models. Will have to happen with ma and pa and small investors converting savings/CD's into stocks.

Hal Brown said...

bogo, hopefully the bargain hunters managing the mutual funds we are real people and not computers, and that they are smart enough not to buy a pig in a poke.

Is the iamchrysanthemum posting here. If this is you, you have really interesting life you've had with more ups and downs than most.

I don't see much problem with the original lottery tickets where the drawing is done every night. I don't know the breakdown but I assume the big busks are in the scratch tickets.

Predatory's proposals for fixing the economy, sensible as they are, would take years.

bogofree said...

This is where I usually end up when I Clark up some facts.
my special place

The Easter Bunny said...
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The Easter Bunny said...

Hal. Connecticut has two casinos and the state unemployment rate was 7.1% as of 12/08:

http://www.ctdol.state.ct.us/lmi/glan/glanrate.htm

Not much different than MA which reported a rate of 7.4% on 3/5/09:

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2009/03/02/daily46.html

Casinos are not going to fix the underlying problem.

bogofree said...

I would be a real stretch to classify a casino as a huge economic engine. In their areas they may provide employment or business opportunities and growth but nothing so dramatic that it will be a cure all. Part of the total picture.

Then you can end up with a company town such as Las Vegas. What happens when the market goes sour? Same as if you have a paper mill leaving when 50% of the people in the town are employed in the mill.

A casino is just an entertainment option - Disney with slots. Right now I doubt you will see much action for a casino resort until people have more discretionary spending.

Rocky said...

Stop,

Maybe and maybe not, but they are also not the casue of it. In CT the casinos saved the area in the early 1990s. They did. I was working for EB in the late 1980s and we had a bunch of people there. By 1990 they place was on its way to being borded up.

Whether it is BB's whorehouse (read his blog) or a movie studio. Right now jobs are jobs.

Wait for the unemployment numbers for this area comes out in the next few weeks.

I predict Middleboro at 9.5% for January. I hope I am wrong.

LMAO said...

The only thing right now that can provide a bump is slot parlors and slots at the tracks. At the tracks it will save jobs and for the state new revenue but nowhere near what is projected.

For Middleboro the infrastructure work will take years.

I don't mind gambling and certainly have no problems associated with it. Some do but I suspect without a casino or lottery they would have other outlets.

Suo Mynona said...

Chrysanthemum:
Sing Casey Jones and drink some this while you wait for the article to become more refined.

http://www.herbalremedies.com/jerry-garcia-tea-morning.html

I think his writing is currently as refined as "a whorehouse that offered AIDS infection but not sex"

Blogger Shark said...

Of course not, MrMacey or is it Monkey. You are talking about yourself, not middleboro. Just like all the tracks, failed businesses cause no one has interest in them anymore. 8 tracks on 4 legs. G2K took them off life support. Sure, bring slots or casinos. Industries that thrive on losers. Take a job at a casino and make more losers. Get state revs from losers. The house always wins and the rest are... losers. What a fun place. A Disney for losers.

Blogger Shark said...

Sorry SPG, but the bloggers are effective. You think Thomas Paine was unemotional about the revolution in his pamphlets. How about the members of the Boston Tea Party? Blogs work and draw attention to the issue. If you want to stop King George and his slot, lottery and casino happy Redcoats, then let the bloggers do their job. If blogs aren't effective, what are you even doing commenting here.

Suo Mynona said...

Blogger Shark:
You made an interesting point with your comment:
"Just like all the tracks, failed businesses cause no one has interest in them anymore."

If they failed and there was no interest then why a ballot to erradicate the business?

Suo Mynona said...

I can fully understand trying to stop an incoming business -- casino or otherise. That is the process. But I feel itis wrong to petition people out of work in dire economic times. Once there was a comment that a poster made that there was work out there. They were unrelenting in their stance. I just do not see it that way. I think every legit job is precious.

Anonymous said...

Bailout.. Bailouts...Every bank needs our bailout....

Anonymous said...

OK! I just need to know. Please be anonymous. There is old timers here. How many of you have worn an adult diaper to play a slot machine?

Funny Slot Story

Now to tell a true fact.
Such as Slots = Heroin or Aids = whorehouses etc!

Wouldn't one have to participate in those activities to make an honest and clear distinction of the two?

Or is this stuff just hear say Sudo facts? Being thrown out there to scare the general public?

I remember a State hearing the first Senator that spoke I quote "Slots are like a Syringe full of Heroin"

How can one make that nasty statement without true facts?

Maybe it is true He is a recovering Junkie that has participated in the behaviour he throws out there?

I don't know...

Anonymous said...

Natasha covers her bases. She says.. "They can" Not "They Do"


"While they may not intend to produce addicts, Schull said, they can"

Now there is a smart person.

Anonymous said...

Why Not?
Another Bailout request

Blogger Shark said...

Sou,
G2K was not about gambling, but dogs they believe were mistreated.

Mrmacey,
Youre just upset you aint getting a bailout.

Anonymous said...

Blogger,
Question, Is this group "National Coalition Against Gambling Expansion" the same as "SPG"

Hey Bogo,

Yesterday's comment you made a casino never stole 50 Billion $$. I have been thinking about that, Where does one stash 50 Billion dollars? "50 BILLION DOLLARS" and nobody noticed anything..

Some others have to be involved in this..

The Easter Bunny said...

Blogger Shark-

I commented here yesterday to make the point that most anticasino people use more constructive means of promoting the cause than taking verbal pot shots at the opposition, some of them very mean-spirited. And please don't tell me that "the pros did it first". Doesn't matter who started all the flaming. We're not in kindergarten anymore. We're each responsible for our own actions.

What do you think the chances are of an anticasino person, like Greg Stevens, has of being elected to office in Middleboro? Zippo. Why? Because the average voters percieve us as out of control nut cases. MR outraged people with her threads on local individuals, and I believe that most of her anonymous comments were written by her. GK? Way over the top. Very talented and funny, but her posts are very aggressive. Then there's CP (you?) who professes his Christianity who seems to forget about Faith, Hope, and Love. I wonder how often he wonders WWJD? before he sits down to blog or create nasty little sites like "Wave to the Flying Monkeys" or "Lola". What is his blogging telling others about the tenets of his faith?

If all the bloggers had taken the high road that Fiferstone and Kathleen Conley Norbut have and stuck to Facts and opinions without any flaming, CFO blogville would have been more effective and respected.

Just remember that the old CFO forum from '07 spawned middleborocasino.com and all the antics of the site's owner. We brought him out of the woodwork, and even today he remains a thorn in our side.

I am not a regular poster here, nor am I apt to be. My only point is that it is possible to work for a cause (writing letters, attending BIA meetings, making phone calls, etc) without denigrating people. My only message here is that many of us are more tolerant of others with opposing views than some of the bloggers people judge all of us by.

No, I don't believe the blogs have been effective. I feel the small army of worker ants have.

I guess I've said all I've come here to say.

Anonymous said...

Nice story SPG,

Is there ever a way I can become a rose in your eye, (Well not in your eye per'say)!

LOL!

bogofree said...

Ah...the good old days of the CFO site when my other warped personality - Bratbird - had so much fun with Tony and LL! Is that now the good old days?

With emotional issues flaming will happen but IMHO it appears there are a few more hard liners on the anti side since it encompasses the morally righteous types (my wife - The Lovely Cynthia) is one, environmental nut jobs (like moi), don't want their neighborhood (property values) destroyed and those that just view it as a non productive business. Personally, I am a classic fence sitter who is not against gambling but would prefer the gin mill be placed elsewhere. See valid points on both sides and have certainly seen exaggeration on the positives and negatives on both sides. IMO the only one with the over-the-top style of the anti bloggers was Limo. There may have been more blogs but I was not aware of them.

I posted a comment yesterday by Mansfield TM D'Agostino commenting on bloggers. Seemed to have his attention. I view it - bloggers - as a very small group that seems to attracted more influence then they may deserve. Like NOW.

The upcoming election may be the watershed where the casino issue is no longer the litmus test to hold office. For me it will not be about how you support that issue as I suspect most residents now realize that this project is a long, long way off.

I was in favor of the doggies getting closed until I started to do my own research. Opinions can change as facts change and the real deal is when I actually got to talk to some of the workers. Trail goes behind the track so I won’t get into details but it was informative. IMO if slots are a done deal toss them in the tracks.

SPG….I hope you do continue to post here as it provides along with BS…oops…does not sound right. Blogger Shark ! Both provide some new and fresh input so debate does not become self congratulatory posting board.

Hal Brown said...

I'm too confused. Are more than one posters changing their names all the time? Who is Mr. Macey?

Jessie Powell apparently goes by different names and I still can't figure out what all of them are.

Why not keep the same names and just change your pictures?

Everyone should know what I look like by now. Am I the only one who's used a real picture of themselves online?

I was thinking of putting together a who's who in the casino controversy photo essay on Casino-Friend. It's a lot of work. Do you think it's worth it?

Anonymous said...

"IMO the only one with the over-the-top style of the anti bloggers was Limo"

I showed a few people some of the comments written about me.

They looked at me with a horrific look and said people do this to each other over a stupid casino?

What are you all Clarked!!

Iamchrysanthemum said...

Here we go again with Hal and the name game. LOL! Mrmacy is obvious. Some bloggers have multiple ID's so if I was Hal I would view it as potential income for treating MPD.

A photo essay? Go for it, Hal, as I just want to view how the anti's go ballistic on that one.

I look at what one blogger in particular had on his site and continues to post on his site - BB. That has clearly been examined and posted on over and over with the latest being posted by Suo.

Anonymous said...

Just trying to keep the peace hal.

If I came out with a name like this BS could get upset.

Or seeing Dwayne Chapman is a Racist he might not like my little brown monkey.

So I put my Dog on here and people want to make chop souy out her!!

can't win...

Anonymous said...

Hal
Who am I?

Hal Brown said...

Funny you should mention multiple personality disorder (now dissociative identity disorder) since I treated several clients with this diagnosis when it was still considered very rare.

In fact I made the diagnosis to great skepticism of my colleagues.

I learned an incredible amount about the power of the mind to deal with trauma by creating personalities that were very different from each other, some of which had total amnesia for what happened when another personality was in control.

I'll never treat another multiple again because in my opinion you not should have a co-therapist but have a readily available psychiatrist for medication and a psychiatric hospital with a staff familiar with treating multiples ready and able to admit your patient immediately.

You also shouldn't treat a multiple in a home office. There is a high risk for physical harm from a violent male alter, and for a client's seductive female alter coming on to you and/or making claims your behavior was inappropriate.

In my experience treating a half dozen of them, some for years with several sessions a week, multiples are all highly intelligent, especially if you add up all the talents and abilities of the alters.

(Nice feature, being able to change the picture so easily.)

bogofree said...

I should have said pro bloggers in reference to LL. All this anti and pro stuff confuses me. Mad cow? Limo took the aggressive path and so did several of the anti's and they still do. I'm sure both sides can open up their collective folders and show a thousand comments to support that.

The only pro casino site's that I paid any attention to were casino-friend and the daily incarnations that Limo had. CF was rather bland - to me. Hal traditionally took the high road and that happens to be his style while I prefer the slime and mud pit that were more Limonesque. I happened to be a mod on occasion with LL and that was fine. We differed on many things but he had no problem with me expressing that opinion even with occasional flames. I know I had several "interesting" exchanges with VV. On the other side there are several staunch anti’s who have blogs. In reality it is more like one blog since the opinions expressed are real lock step - no big tent. I will give MR some credit as she is not locked into a one issue blog and that makes for some more interesting reading.

Both Hal and BB have attempted to broaden the posting boards with nemasket.net and Middleboro Matters but the real problem is that both will be irrevocably tied to the casino issue.

On this board I am elated to see Shark, Dog and STP post as they appear to be anti’s. I also suspect that several other posters are neutral or lean slightly in favor of the casino but are not hard line crusaders.

Hal Brown said...

correction:

I'll never treat another multiple again because in my opinion you not should have a co-therapist

should be

I'll never treat another multiple again because in my opinion you should have a co-therapist

We once plotted out the personalities (alters) of a patient, most of whom it turned out have sub-personalities, with lines between them indicating which had amnesia for others, how the amnesia functioned, etc. The totally was about 150 alters, some not fully developed personalities, many developed during the course of therapy.

Only about a dozen went back to childhood when the original prolonged sexual abuse by the father occurred.

Anonymous said...

"some of which had total amnesia for what happened when another personality was in control"

My true Dip Sh*t personality took hold yesterday..

I cleaned a bus and had a hooded sweatshirt on. Some snow got in the pouch pocket in the front of course my cell was in there.

When I got home it wan't working it got wet.

So with my Dip Sh*t thought I would put it in the toaster oven and dry it..

Thats when my other personality kicked in and I had total total amnesia of putting the phone in the toaster oven.

You guessed it the whole house smelt like burning plastic.

IMA Loser Big L on my Forehead!!

LMAO!

bogofree said...

A fun TV show was Sliders. All about parallel universes and the main character played by Jerry O'Donnell had one of the best episodes I have ever seen on TV. In this episode he meets another one of his own in a parallel universe only it is a female version of himself. They have sex and later he comments to his fellow travelers about the experience of having sex with someone who knows exactly what you want. I have no idea about how one wishes to interpret the moral implications.

bogofree said...

STP? OMG! The Mad Cow is getting worse! SPG!

Anonymous said...

Just can't make this stuff up

Hal Brown said...

The car in the picture was in front of me and I decided just for the hell of it to take a picture since I don't see that many pro or anti stickers on cars these days and I thought I might use it here.

I was at the four corners (Main and Centre) coming back from Hanneford. As you know there's a green arrow for making a left turn onto Centre Street from Main.

The green arrow had gone off so there was only the green. One car went past us in the opposite direction from Main Street and there was a break of 20-30 feet before the next car which was moving towards us.

The No Casino car cut that car off and made the left causing the oncoming car's driver to brake.

That's a failure to yield, a traffic violation.

What made this interesting isn't that this was a No Casino car but that it had the following stickers on the back window:

2007 and 2008 Fraternal Order of Police Massachusetts State Trooper Supporter stickers, Member Police and Trooper Association, and New England Association of Chiefs of Police.

Hal Brown said...
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Hal Brown said...

I liked Sliders, although some episodes were predictable. I wasn't much impressed with Jerry O'Donnell's acting though until he played Detective Woody Hoyt on one of my favorite crime shows "Crossing Jordan".

It had a much stronger cast and more human drama which I though pushed him as an actor.

(above post deleted to get new picture_)

I though he really came into his own as poor Woody, the straight-arrow detective transplanted from Wisconsin to New York City, hopelessly in love with Jordan Cavanaugh (Jill Hennessy) - who could blame him?

bogofree said...

Hal

Sliders was lame after about 3 seasons as most TV shows seem to be. Just chews up scripts. The show was a real cheapo with the special effects and the acting was not exactly TONY material. But it had a strong following. Started to lose me when it got tired...like ER did.

Blogger Shark said...

SPG,
As much as you seem to know everything about everyone, you don't. And, being anonymous as most of us, you could have as many personalities as others here, your stated displeasure on how others conduct themselves carries little weight in the grand scheme. I won't get into why having associated with all but one of those mentioned in your reply to me. This is the wild, wild west here. It is a game of one-up-manship here.
Outside of here, CFO is what it is, bloggers or not. It is too late to know if they would be better or worse with or without them. But they have been effective, maybe not 100%, but still.
Try talking to the bloggers one on one outside of the west and you might see them all a little differently. You may even be able to change their MO with a real heart to heart with your powers of persuasion.

Hal Brown said...

It's hard, probably impossible without a research study, to say what impact the bloggers had on the casino controversy so far. We already know that it doesn't take much to get a few people to write letters to officials demanding investigations.

It doesn't take much to cause some people to feel upset or worse about what is posted about them.

Whether anybody is actually prompted to reconsider their opinion by reading a blog on a local issue is something worth a masters thesis. Maybe one of Clyde Barrow's students could do it.

On an issue like this most people seem pretty much set in their opinions.

As far as my own alter personalities, I only have one besides the one who writes online and who some of you have seen or met. I basically keep him, Edward Hyde for want of a better name, under wraps.

A few people have gone missing during periods which I have no memory for. Probably a coincidence.

Anonymous said...

Have a good night.

Hal Brown said...

You have yourself a good night, too, whoever you are.

pseudonymous said...

Oh! my.

The Easter Bunny said...

Shark-

I don't even pretend to know everything about everyone. But I do find it odd that the only poster here who will not allow me to have a difference of opinion is you, whoever you are.

I don't disagree with anticasino bloggers goals, only their methodology.

mildly said...

All you guys are crazy sitting on your computers on such a great weekend. Dusted off my golf clubs and hit the driving range on route 138. My swing was way off. Guess you have to use it or lose it. Oh well, it was great to enjoy the fresh air and sunshine.

Funny email I just recieved:

The United States government today announced that it is changing its national symbol to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the governments political stance.

A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed.

To my fellow Americans, it really doesn't get much more accurate than this.

bogofree said...

I look at the bloggers from CFO and I suspect they are viewed as a fringe group by more than just the pols. I doubt many pols go out of their way to get their input and as far as CFO when your rallies at the State House have less than a roll call of Senate Republicans you have an issue. I see no great ground swell or public support against gambling. Seems just the opposite.I know the usual response is that simpletons like me are notb privy to all the inner workings and late night phone calls and glad handing. Well...the results are clear. Their efforts produced little.

The most significant victory of late had nothing to do with CFO or any anti casino movement in Massachusetts. SCOTUS. In fact Bosley is long gone as he has been sent to the wood shed while the various other hacks attempt to determine just how soon and for how much money slots can be introduced. The Middlebor gin mill is going to be deep sixed not by a group of bloggers but by corrupt tribal leadership and a lousy economy. Everytime the anti's put forth candidates locally they got beat. Recall was a total failure and I supported it but have enough sense to say we got our clocks cleaned. Ditto on the election.

When you read the blogs any opponent to the process that is in the political arena is skewered if he or she edges towards a pro casino position. The bloggers have created a one issue test and that is for or against. Think Flynn, Cahill, Patrick, Pacheco and others like their pet names?

I'm not trying to marginalize their efforts but when you view it I see no meat. Didn't rally any troops. I see no marching bands. I see no outrage at gaming. In fact it seems inevitable.

Suo Mynona said...

Stop Predatory Gambling:

I stay away from your subject matter. But I do find what you have to say a fresh new read.

DBH:
I hate forwarded emails, but that is a good one. In this whole bail out fiasco the big P is being forgotten - the P in GDP.

Rocky said...

Bloggers could probably cause a selectman to go insane.

skeptical not cynical said...

Hal
Although I know that DID is still listed in the DSM-IV as a diagnosis, I've read that there has been much controversy among shrinks as to whether the condition actually exists. Very confusing to the layman. Could you provide me with some good links re: MPD (DID)? Thanks

Hal Brown said...

Mildly,

It is misdiagnosed, but it does exist. I haven't done any reading on it in years so I don't have anything to recommend.

In fact when I started treating my first multiples there wasn't much written on it. I went to a few conferences with all the "names" in the field, even met Richard Kluft when he visited Michigan State. He's still big in the field. Heard Bennett G. Braun talk somewhere or other, Eugene Bliss at Harvard. I think they are all still writing and doing research so you can Google them.

I thought I might get involved when the dissociative disorders association was being formed, even had an application. I made a few contacts but they seemed to want to keep it exclusive to psychiatrists, plus I'm not much of a joiner.

Besides the ones I met all seemed too egotistical for my taste.

Blogger Shark said...

SPG,
I do allow you to have your opinion. I just disagree with it and your assessment of the bloggers. Please, no hard feelings.

Hal Brown said...

Today's Cape Cod Times addresses the impact of the Supreme Court ruling on the Mashpee's efforts to open a casino in Middleboro in "High court ruling has tribes scrambling".

Reporter George Brennan writes the "decision that cripples the efforts of the Mashpee Wampanoag and many other tribes to build casinos, American Indians across the country are looking to define fix.' "

I am cognizant that casino opponents criticize me for trying to put a spin on what I write, but I think this could more accurately be phrased that the ruling is "a serious setback to many tribes trying to build casinos which may prove insurmountable in some instances."

In the Mashpee's favor is that this doesn't just involve them but that the ruling has numerous tribes across the country unified in attemting to persuade a sympathetic majority in Congress to "fix" the Court decision.

At the heart of the issue for those tribes seeking to open casinos is the matter of "reservation shopping" which is the practice of seeking to put land into trust that is not near to their primary location because it is better for a casino. The Mashpee note that Middleboro was home to many of their ancestors so they do have historic ties to the area that was purchased for the casino.

Middleboro resident Rich Young, president of Casino Facts and Casino Free Mass reiterated the claim of casino opponents that "reservation shopping" should be stopped, saying "I'd like to see them fix reservation shopping".

I agree to the extent that aspects of this probably need to be "fixed". However, in my opinion there are degrees of "reservation shopping" and each case has to be considered on the facts and merits. My understanding of the rules is that the location has to meet two basic criteria. One is that it has to be a certain distance from the tribe's current primary location and the other is that the tribe has to have provable historic ties to the area. It seems to me that the Mashpee meet both of these standards.

Another consideration which may be made on a case by case basis would apply to both the Mashpee and the Gay Head Wampanoag. That would be the viability of building a casino in Mashpee and on Martha's Vineyard. How would other residents of the Cape and Islands feel about a towering resort casino illuminating their night sky and drawing tens of thousands of year round visitors to their quaint villages?

The Easter Bunny said...

Perhaps the reason the internet became the wild, wild west is because since the 70s we've had to rapidly adjust to such a rigid PC world. It's the last remaining venue where people can rebel against the new societal restictions and not be forced to adhere to the standards of the real world, at least not yet. I suspect that will change in the not so distant future as regulatory legislation is eventually passed and legal precedents are set.

Anonymous said...

Made a decision between Raynham dog track or Twin Rivers last night to meet some some friends coming from the North Shore Twin Rivers won out they wanted to go there. and I'd like to report on some findings .

1. It was packed you had to drive around in circles looking for a parking space. After we found a space we had to walk a good distance to get the enterance.

You just can't help seeing how many MA plates are down there. It makes me angry seeing all those plates parked there. One of our friends drove down from Wakefeild Ma. I can just imagine where they are all from. They should be parked in MA some where. IMO.

Walked around and I mean you can't tell the economy is bad by looking at how crowded this place was.

My favorite Irish Pub "FADO" If you like Cornbeef and cabbage its a must. I have been there 4 times always got right in Last night 45 minute wait. It was crowded for sure. Played a few dogs as we had dinner came close but no winners.

After that there was a nice band playing at the Lighthouse bar we all went over there and sat and talked about nothing in general just nice talk about the old days.

I went over and helped keep the lights on for another 5 minutes with my donation to the State of RI. Your Welcome. The employees of Twin Rivers have to love MA.

I didn't see any adult diapers being passed out! I guess you put them on in the car before you come in to play the machine's.

All in all it was another nice night with friends. I'm not still sitting there, When we left, One of our friends had a $3.00 winning scratch ticket, 5000 machines her and my wife spent exactly $3.00 each, both bought a scratch ticket. LOL! So we went to a window to cash it. I asked the teller I need to mortgage my house what window do you do that at? The guy laughed and said we don't do that here. I said I know, I'm just playing with you.

We all said goodbye to each other and said maybe next time we do this it will be at Suffolk.

I was home by 11.30PM. Grand total spent on everything $157.00 including Babysitter. not break the bank type money.

Well worth the night out with some old friends.

Hal Brown said...

SPG, I don't see regulation and censorship of the Internet as likely. Because it has broadened to include mainstream media from Fox News and the New York Times to new media like Free Republic and Huffington Post to millions of blogs, content clearly comes under First Amendment protection.

In fact, it could be argued that a modern interpretation would not only include freedom of speech and freedom of the press, but the right to peaceably assemble,and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

An ulra-conservative Supreme Court might want to suggest that the framers meant speech meant talking, the press had to be on paper, assembly had to be in person, and a petition to the government had to be a signed document.

But I think even Clarence Thomas would have to be smoking wacky weed to pen a decision like that.

The Easter Bunny said...

Hal
You can hardly qualify "Casino-Friend" or the other local blogs as being on the same journalistic level as those blog articles written by trained journalists. I certainly don't expect any meddling with true free speech.

I'm talking about people trashing each other and ruining reputations for the sport of it. You've been a target as has BB and many others. Don't you think that at some point someone will find a way to put a stop to that?

Hal Brown said...

SPD, You bring up two issues.

1) "You can hardly qualify "Casino-Friend" or the other local blogs as being on the same journalistic level as those blog articles written by trained journalists. I certainly don't expect any meddling with true free speech."

It's a steep and slippery slope if we apply some test of the quality of writing and compare something written by a trained journalist and a piece written on a smaller website with 5,000 regular readers like Capitol Hill Blue where I write a column, several hundred thousand regular readers like on Huffington Post or less than a hundred readers like on most of the local blogs.

It seems to me to be a cheap shot to compare someone's writing style on a local blog with someone who writes for a living. Most of those writing on local blogs are amateurs.

2) "I'm talking about people trashing each other and ruining reputations for the sport of it. You've been a target as has BB and many others. Don't you think that at some point someone will find a way to put a stop to that?"

At some point somebody may decide they are been harmed enough to spend the time and money necessary to file a civil suit of slander and defamation. I won't bother restating what can be easily reviewed online, for example o Wikipedia.

Suffice to say that these usually are difficult cases to win. For one thing the claims made can't be true, for another the allegations of actual malice and harm usually have to be plausible.

Furthermore there are somewhat different standards for official and public figures whether actually in law or in the judgment of a judge or jury.

Who is a public figure would be open to interpretation in a local case.

If anything did end up in court, as in many libel, slander and defamation cases involving publication there is a conflict between those laws and the First Amendment.

At least this is how a non-lawyer views this.

Suo Mynona said...

The slope does not seem to slippery with me.

Suo Mynona said...

To the best of my knowledge BB's business and professional reputation have never been targeted. Hal's has.

For instance I have no idea what or where BB works and don't care. I just care that he trashes people with reckless abandon. He broadcasts himslef all over town as well with a foul mouth.

If you go to a public meeting you will hear mutter comments more than a little too loud. Then he goes and posts things that are IMO plain wrong.

Suo Mynona said...

if trashing BB for trashy comments he makes on his blog are wrong then I am guilty.

Hal Brown said...

Suo, The slope is slippery because there's no clear cutoff point between where a publication is worthy of being called journalism, let alone where free speech applies, and where it becomes irrelevant incoherent ramblings not to be taken seriously.

It would be similar to trying to define obscenity and pornography.

As for slander etc:

I'll use myself as an example of how difficult it would be to win a case for slander.

Another local therapist, active in the anti-casino movement, publicly said that because of my being pro-casino I was "unkind".

On the face of it who would want to see a psychotherapist who another therapist characterized as unkind?

If I sued it could, and would be argued in court by my lawyer that this was the same as saying I was incompetent.

However, for the case to be made in my favor I would have to demonstrate that the statement was made in malice, that the person making it knew it was false, and that their intention was to harm my practice.

It would bolster my case if I could find a referral source who stopped sending me clients because of this, an individual who decided not to see me because they heard I was unkind, or a current client who dropped out of therapy because of this.

In good conscience I wouldn't make the claim that I was called unkind out of malice or in a deliberate attempt to dissuade potential clients from seeing me. I believe the therapist in question was being honest and feels that way about me.

There is a mechanism for protecting clients from professional malpractice though the state licensing boards. I recall some bloggers suggested that an attempt be made to have the Social Work Board look into my support of a casino, perhaps to get my license revoked.

If they believe I'm incompetent, that is not only their right but a civic responsibility. However it is not only frowned upon, it is against the social workers code of ethics to make public statements against another social worker.

But this wouldn't be enough to win my case.

I never considered a lawsuit, but if I had I would expect a good lawyer to have discouraged me.

Suo Mynona said...

hal I bypassed reading your lengthy post. But it looks like good journalism piece for the "Communist Sickle Red" for which you write.

Does what I wrote qualify as journalism?

In plain speak. Writing and journalism are entirely different things. I know I am about as close to being a journalist as BB is a true collector of turkey feathers.

Hal Brown said...

Suo,

"Does what I wrote qualify as journalism?"

Yes, because you published it. These days it doesn't matter where.

In plain speak. Writing and journalism are entirely different things. I know I am about as close to being a journalist as BB is a true collector of turkey feathers.

The outdated definition of journalism limited it to the profession, that is to people who were paid to write news stories and articles in newspapers and magazines or broadcasting them on the radio and television. In most dictionaries there's no mention of the Internet, not even a mention of people like Mark who write a column for free in a weekly paper.

You can read 25 definitions from different dictionaries here, to see that most are too old to be relevant.

As usual, the most timely definition of evolving words and terms is on Wikipedia (here).

In short it says:

"Journalism is the craft of conveying news, descriptive material and comment via a widening spectrum of media. These include newspapers, magazines, radio and television, the internet and, more recently, the cellphone. Journalists—be they writers, editors or photographers; broadcast presenters or producers—serve as the chief purveyors of information and opinion in contemporary mass society. 'News is what the consensus of journalists determines it to be.' "

Note that "the chief purveyors of information and opinion" doesn't specify situations where bloggers may be among this group.

Also quite relevant to your point is this:

"The rapid rise of the Internet, in particular the advent of blogging, citizen journalism and social networking software, is helping change the traditional practice of journalism. Importantly, advertising revenue is increasingly leaving major media, either to online sources or disappearing entirely."

Of course who is a good journalist and writer one is is a matter of debate. Whose piece would get an A in a journalism or English class?

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